Finn Bálor (@finnbalor) is a professional wrestler best known for his time in WWE and NJPW. He sits down with Chris Van Vliet in London to discuss his journey from Ireland to WWE, if he thought about leaving New Japan earlier than he did, winning the Universal Championship and vacating the title the next day, how he stays in great shape, getting his head split open at WrestleMania 39, his last-minute match with AJ Styles, missing out a match with Bray Wyatt, wrestling CM Punk in Ireland, and more!

Have you worked a “real job”?

“Yeah, I started my first job when I was 16; I worked at a cleaning contracting company. So my uncle worked at the maintenance department, so he got me a job in there, where all the floor buffers that were broken, they get broken a lot, because people buff over the cable, and they cut the cable. So I would have to replace the cables and troubleshoot all the electrics in it, and of course I electrocuted myself, which in Europe is like 220-volt, that hurt! From there I got a job at Tesco, which is a supermarket like Walmart or something. Then I worked in the family business, which is the railway in Ireland. So my family work on the railway. So, I sold train tickets and did the announcements for the trains. ‘Ladies and gentlemen, the next train to Belfast is at 11 o’clock on platform two. Please board in 10 minutes.’”

Was it also free train tickets to go wherever you needed to go?

“Yeah, and actually you could take free train tickets all around Europe. Then there was also a certain amount of passes that you could take the ferry, which is from Ireland to England, so I could travel from Ireland to England, then take the train, and then go to training pretty much for free. So that’s how I was able to kind of fund my training.”

I put up a photo saying you haven’t aged. You had a one-word caption on that photo: consistency. You talked about it’s eating right, and it’s putting in the work and all of those different things. What does a day of eating look like for you?

“So there’s this huge belief that I’m a no-carbs guy, and I was for a long time, from like 2010 when I met one of my good friends, John Anderson, who I wrestled with in New Japan. He said, ‘Brother, you got to go on no carbs if you want to take it to the next level.’ So I went on no carbs from like 2010 till about 2022, pretty much keto. So I was doing that for a long time, and then myself and Chad Gable are best buddies, and I think we were in the run-up to Mania or something; everyone’s doing this Mania prep every year, and I just would always do everything the same all the time. ‘I don’t get ready, I stay ready.’ That’s the quote. He said, dude, just add in some carbs, maybe a carb drink in your workout, so that was the beginning of me reintroducing carbs. So probably for the last two years I’m pretty much on a regular diet, I would say. So breakfast will be like three full eggs, half an avocado, either some Greek yogurt and berries or some cottage cheese. Hopefully two hours later I’ll work out. Pre-workout will be like beetroot juice or pomegranate juice with some honey. I’ll work out. After the workout, I’ll have a shake and a banana. Then within an hour I’ll have like either a piece of chicken and rice or a piece of fish and rice, and then that will repeat again about two and a half hours later. Then before bed I’ll have some Greek yogurt again with berries, and that’ll be it.”

How do you feel like being married has changed you?

“It’s certainly made me more calm, more relaxed, and more fulfilled, and more happy.”

There’s something about doing all of this in life with somebody by your side

“We travel so much, and then going home to your person is so beautiful. And a lot of times when I’d be on the road, sometimes we’d be on the road two, three weeks at a time. I’d be going home, and you don’t really feel home, because it’s just a couch and a TV. But when I go home and she’s there, it just resets me completely. So, anytime, even if I get an opportunity to go home for like 22 hours. I’d fly back from Europe just to see her and fly back just to reset.”

How do you feel like your approach to wrestling has changed, or your mindset about wrestling has changed in your 20s, your 30s, and now your 40s?

“The 20s was you’re scratching and clawing, and you’re chasing, and you’re like, oh my god, but you don’t really feel like you belong, and you feel like everyone’s like, ‘What’s this little kid doing here?’ In the 30s, it was like this is going to end soon. I’m going to burn the back axle out of this, similar to what JD was saying when he was on here, it’s like I’m going to go out there and I’m going to give it everything every single night. I don’t care about what happens tomorrow. Now in my 40s, I feel like I’m a little bit more economical with my movements and my moves, and I feel like I’ve been very lucky to have learned from some incredible people who taught me some skills, not necessarily physical skills, like our techniques, but a mindset that can prolong my career. I always tell a story about when I went to the Performance Center. I started with NXT I think I was 34, which was quite late to start. WWE had came knocking a couple times, and I’d always kind of kicked it back, because I was very happy in New Japan, wanted to do my whole career there, and I was trying to negotiate a 10-year contract, and there was an issue. This was when I was 34; I was trying to negotiate a 10-year contract to stay there for the rest of my life. Then there was an issue, because New Japan was owned by another company, and that contract only lasted for four years, so they could only give me a four-year contract. I’d been there like eight years, and I’d seen how when guys got to like their mid to late 30s, they kind of phased them out. I thought, well, this will get me to my mid to late 30s, and I’ll be phased out, and I want to wrestle longer than that. I’m 34 and this is 12 years ago in WWE, where the roster was a lot younger, they were signing much younger guys, and I thought, oh, this could be my last opportunity, so that’s kind of the mindset I had. I was talking with my dad about the decision: should I roll the dice in WWE, or should I stay in New Japan? I’ll never forget my dad said, ‘Son, you grew up watching WWF, that was your dream, you’re in Japan, you’re doing great, you’ve done it for eight years, but roll the dice.’ I’m glad I did.”

If you were thinking in your 30s about I can’t do this forever, is that still in your mind now?

“In my 20s, I thought if I make it to 30, it’ll be awesome as a wrestler, and in life, I guess [laughs]. Then in my 30s, I thought, well 40, that’ll be really incredible. Right now, I feel better now than I did in my early 30s, and going back to what I was saying earlier about signing with NXT, a lot of people were of the opinion of, hey, he’s an experienced guy, knows exactly what he’s doing in the ring, why is he in NXT? He’s wasting his time in NXT. You hear this so much, and I started to maybe believe it as well, and also, why am I in this Performance Center doing roll after roll and leap frog after drop down, drop down, and run these drills? I just wrestled Ibushi in front of 42,000 people at the Tokyo Dome like four weeks ago, and now I’m in the Performance Center in a factory doing drills with kids who’ve never wrestled. This was going on for about three months to the point where I think I showed up one Monday morning at 8 am for practice, and Terry Taylor was my coach, who I cannot speak highly more highly about, he’s absolutely incredible. I said, ‘Terry, I don’t want to be here. I feel like I’m just wasting my career. I’m 34, I need to be wrestling.’ He said, ‘Finn, I’m teaching you a style that you can perform for another 10 years. If you continue wrestling the way you’ve been wrestling in New Japan, you’ll last about two more years, and I want you to last longer than that.’ So he was very instrumental in kind of helping me tweak my style to be more economical with my movements, with my moves, and really to go from being a good wrestler to being a star, and that’s the person who I credit with that, and he taught me so much. I cannot speak more highly about Terry Taylor.”

If the milestones were get to 30, get to 40, is it now get to 50?

“Now it’s just get to having fun and make sure that I don’t want to overstay my welcome. I still feel pretty good. I don’t feel like I’ve slowed down too much. Well, I don’t know, because I don’t watch my matches back, because I cringe so much.”

Have you watched back winning the Universal Championship?

“No.”

You’ve never watched that match!?

“No, and you know what, I get tagged in tweets daily of that spot, and I’ll scroll away before I hit the wall. I don’t like seeing it.”

You don’t like seeing it, because it brings back a memory?

“It’s just like, why dwell on the past? You should be looking forward, you can’t change the past, it happened. So what?”

When you won that match, in that match, on a scale of one to 10, what kind of pain are you in?

“No pain, but I knew there was a big issue, and it actually came out like three more times in the match, because any time I lifted my arm to hit the ropes, it came out. I remember I got whipped to the buckle one time it came out. So I don’t know if I’ve ever told this story, and I’m not sure if I should, but I remember at one point in the match, so me and Seth, I was very lucky to be in there with Seth when it happened, because Seth is an absolute pro, and we were able to communicate, and I was able to tell him, hey, I’m hurt, so we were kind of calling the match on the fly and editing spots and changing spots and talking the whole time, so the match that we’d done wasn’t actually the match that we’d laid out.

I must give Seth credit, because there was a point, we were outside the ring and I was rolling him back into the ring, and I said, ‘Dude, I’m hurt. I don’t think I’m gonna be wrestling for a while. Do you want to switch to finish?’ And he said, ‘No, stick to the plan.’ I just rolled him back in, and we stuck to the plan. I often wonder what that would have done for my career if we had switched the finish.”

In what way? 

“Well, we’re still talking about this 10 years later, right? Everywhere I go, every interview I do, I get the question, ‘Hey, what would have happened if you hadn’t got injured because you were the champ?’ But if I’d got injured and lost and just went away for nine months, there’d be no like sympathy from the fans, there’d be no what ifs.”

The other what if in that match is if you change the finish, do you ever become WWE Champion?

“I could have been let go six months later before I even came back. Who knows? One thing that does bug me is that some people say, ‘Oh, that guy’s injury prone.’ One major injury my whole career, 24 years, apart from a broken jaw, which is a complete accident.”

It’s not like you tore a muscle running the ropes

“I’ve torn plenty of muscles, trust me. Yeah, actually, I think we are going to talk about the Edge cage match? So three weeks before WrestleMania 39 I get asked to do an impromptu [match]. I’m a Raw performer, but they say, ‘Hey, can you come to SmackDown and do a match on SmackDown? It’s like a six-man tag or something. I remember I grabbed Cruz Del Toro in a front face lock, and I stepped backwards to tag Damian, and as I stepped backwards, I tore my calf. At first I thought like Cruz was messing with me and slapping me in the back of the leg, and then I looked down and his arms were around my waist. I’m like, oh no, this is bad. So I tagged out, and I’m on the apron, I’m stretching it a little bit. Doesn’t feel too bad but I got to get back in there. I’m like doing the math in my head. How long to WrestleMania? How long does a calf injury take to repair?”

While you were on the apron?

“Yeah. I finished the match, and I probably made it worse by finishing the match, because you put more stress through the tear, and people don’t know I was on one of those little scooters for three weeks. We did a promo two weeks before Mania on Raw, and the way we did it, I think Edge was in the ring, and they just brought me out on the stage, but we shot around it, where I kind of like limped out and just stood there, stood on the stage, going, ‘I’ll see you in two weeks at WrestleMania,’ or whatever, and then they killed the lights and I hobbled back, got on my little scooter in the backstage. So there’s lots of little injuries that all the boys are dealing with all the time, and we’re trying to work around.”

Did you know you’d get to WrestleMania 39?

“No. It was a conversation with Bruce the next week; it was actually right before that promo that we were doing. ‘Hey, can you make it? It’s two weeks away.’ I said, dude, I can make it. Just trust me, I can make it. I’m not missing WrestleMania.”

How confident were you? 

“I was not that confident, but I was at the Performance Center every day. We have a great medical team down there, and really, the guys down there got me right, it was right on the limit. The day of, I was strapped up, I couldn’t really flex my foot the way it was strapped, and it did get helped by the fact that it was a cage match, and they didn’t have to move around so much. Actually, a similar thing happened this year at WrestleMania with Dom. I had gotten beat up by the Judgment Day. I think I’d been out for a week. Dom was having a match against Penta on Raw. It’s like three weeks before Mania. I do the run-in, I come back, I beat up JD, I beat up Dom, I throw him over the top rope, and I’m in street clothes. I’m gonna do the dive over the top rope, but I’m in street clothes. So, as I’m running, I wear baggier T-shirts, and I go oh, I haven’t done the dive in a while, and I wonder, is this T-shirt gonna get snagged on the top rope, and am I gonna get stuck like Top Dolla? This was going through my head as I’m running against the ropes, so as I’m coming back I see the boys outside the ring. I said I gotta jump extra high and I gotta tuck faster than I normally tuck, because I normally kind of extend a little bit, but I tucked early and as I tucked, I popped a rib right in the air, not on the landing, or when they caught me, in the air. I popped the rib, and I remember the boys caught me, great, put me down. I stood up, I fired up like this, and I said, f*ck, I popped the rib, no! Then again, same situation, three weeks to Mania. How long does the rib take to heal? Oh, sh*t! So then now it was again just this last WrestleMania, it was race against time to get the rib. The problem with the rib recovery is you can’t do anything, there’s no rehab, you can’t do anything really. So it was kind of touch and go, and that was kind of a factor into why the match was changed to a street fight because I was able to rely more on the toys, the weapons and stuff, than have to actually, you know, wrist locks and twists and rolls and stuff like that.”

So, do you wrestle hurt?

“Yeah, but everyone wrestles hurt, everyone’s dealing with some issue. So I’m not trying to put myself over from being some badass, everyone wrestles hurt, but a lot of people don’t hear these little stories of like the little issues that we go through to get out there.”

In that WrestleMania 39 match, was there ever a point where the match was about to be called off because you were bleeding?

“So me and Edge had spoke before the match, and I said, ‘Hey, dude, if you want to throw the ladder at me…’ There was a spot where he was gonna hit me with the ladder. I said, ‘Dude, if I’ve got my back to you, just throw it and hit me in the back. If I turn, just hit me with it.’ So I’d still got my back [turned], and he starts throwing it, but I guess I turned at the wrong moment, and then no problem, I just put my hands up and block it. But it’s a ladder, it’s not a chair, so the rungs were here and here, and it just went right through my hands, and in that moment, my brain couldn’t understand why it was still coming towards me, because my hands were up. I was like, what’s going on here? So it just went and it hit me. I was like, that stung, but it’s fine. So, I’m just selling on the ring, and then referee Shawn Bennett comes over, and he goes, ‘Buddy, you okay?’ I said, yeah, I’m fine. He goes, ‘What day is it? I said, ‘It’s WrestleMania, dude.’ You sure you’re okay? I said, ‘Yeah.’ He said, ‘Dude, you’re carved open.’ I’m like, ‘Don’t worry, it’s fine. [He said] ‘They’re telling me we’re gonna stop the match if you don’t get treatment.’ I’m like, ‘Don’t stop the match, I’m fine.’ They bring the doc into the cage, so I crawl over to the edge of the ring, where the door is for the cage, right? So now the doctor is trying to get in the door, but the door is locked. They opened the door, then she left her medical bag outside because she didn’t realize it’s so bad. They needed to staple me up. So then she has to go back out the door, which is on the ramp side, around the cage, over to the bell keeper’s to get the medical kit, she goes back in the door, and there’s a camera here. Now, I don’t know if the red light’s on or not. Now, thankfully, Edge, super experienced, realized there’s an issue, so he goes outside, keeps the cameras busy by looking under the ring, taking out toys, throwing them in the ring. Meanwhile, the doctor’s going, ‘Dude, you’re split open, like we got to staple it.’ I said, ‘What are you waiting for? Staple it.’ She goes, ‘It’s gonna hurt.’ It’s WrestleMania doc. But at this point, then the camera comes around and it’s here, and I guess they were just shooting, but it wasn’t live, but I can’t see if the red lights are on or not, because I’m looking at the doc, so I started saying to her, [in Demon voice] ‘Staple it!’ Because I go into Demon character, to where the doc Michelle just goes [frightened], because she’d never seen me perform as a Demon before, it would have been a while, and she was like new at the company, so we always kind of giggle about that, but yeah, the staples went in. Finished the match. It was fine. I’m sure that footage lives somewhere.”

What hurt more, the ladder to the head or the staples?

“Neither really hurt at all. In that moment, nothing hurts. If something hurts in the ring, you know that’s a serious injury. If you really feel it, most stuff you don’t feel until the next day.”

It’s easy to look back now with hindsight at how big the Bullet Club was, but when you were forming it, did you realize the implications it might have?

“No, not at all. I just wanted to have fun, and originally Bullet Club wasn’t supposed to be Bullet Club, it was supposed to be just me and [Bad Luck] Fale. So I’d been a babyface for six years in New Japan, they wanted to turn me heel, and that was one thing then that made me stay in New Japan. So I was kind of thinking about, oh, maybe it’s time to try WWE now, I’ve done everything in New Japan that I felt like I could possibly achieve. But then the idea came. ‘Hey, would you like to turn heel?’ I was like oh, this is something new, now I can be a heel in New Japan. I can learn more. So that’s kind of what made me stay, and within like two weeks of having the conversation of putting me and Fale together, it was Gedo’s idea, who was the booker at the time, said, ’Hey, you’re always with Karl Anderson, you’re always with Tama. You guys are always together, why don’t we make you guys a group, come up with a name? So I kind of went to the three guys and said, ‘Hey, do you guys have any ideas for the name?’ They said, ‘Nah, you deal with that, dude.’ That’s your department, so I went home, brainstormed a couple different names, landed on Bullet Club. Once I turned heel, I think it was crazy, because we had so much heat. I remember Fale would be carrying me out on his shoulders at Korakuen Hall, and he kind of had to walk through the crowd, and there’d be fans hitting me in the leg, punching me in the leg, giving me dead legs, and then those fans, so many fans, were calling the office to complain about Prince Devitt cheating to win matches that they had to set up a separate phone line to take complaints. Because there’s so much respect, and I guess it wasn’t something that was done commonly, or at least recently in New Japan. So that was like lightning in a bottle, and it was such a short run for me in Bullet Club, but I look back on it super fondly.”

Is it true the Judgment Day was going to be called Street Trash?

“No, so that came from there being a program at Gunther, I think it was Gunther and Dom, and he referred to us all as street trash, and we said let’s just lean into it, we’re the Judgment Day, we’re street trash, and we kind of just leaned into it, but it didn’t really catch on, yeah. People remember, like Bullet Club and The Demon; they don’t remember like Street Trash. It’s not all like home runs.”

What’s the longest amount of time you spent in makeup putting on The Demon?

“Probably six hours.”

And then how long to take it all off?

“I’ll tell you a story. So, we did a photo shoot at the Performance Center. It was like a test paint on a photo shoot at the Performance Center. This was when I was in NXT, and we did it on a Friday; the paint team had come, and they painted me up, but then I was going to train in it, do photos, work around, make sure it doesn’t come off on the canvas, and stuff like that. So, after we’d done it, the team had gone, but they also didn’t leave the remover, which you need a very specific remover, because it’s alcohol-based paint. I can stand in the shower for an hour, and it’ll just be perfectly on me. You kind of have to sweat it out through your pores, and then you need like an alcohol solution to break it down, so it really chaffs your skin, you’ll be really red after it, and stuff. But they’d gone. But this is a Friday night in Orlando, and my sister’s getting married on Saturday in Ireland. So I have to catch a red eye at 10 o’clock from Orlando to Ireland, so we finished the shooting at 6 o’clock, run back to my apartment. I’m showering, I’m scrubbing my face, I get out of the shower, and I look in the mirror, there’s teeth and everything here, there’s a big eye on my back. I’m like, I gotta go to the airport, my sister’s getting married, so I get dressed. There’s still a demon on me here. I’ve got it mostly off my face. Fly to Ireland, land, run home to my parents’ house, get the suit on, put this shirt and tie on. I go to the church, but little did anyone know, if I had to unbutton my shirt, there’s still the demon under [my shirt]. But thankfully she got married by a humanist, she’s very out there a little bit, and so it wasn’t actually a church, and it wasn’t per se, a religious ceremony, so that gives me a little bit more. 

When did you finally get it off?

“The next couple of days. I’ve never told this story before, either. We did the Demon in Saudi Arabia. I wrestled Andrade, and we’ve promoted the match, we fly to Saudi. I’m getting painted, this paint doesn’t feel like the normal paint. What’s going on? I asked the girl that was doing it at the time, I said, ‘Is this the normal paint? It doesn’t feel right.’ She goes, ‘Oh no. They told me I couldn’t bring the normal paint because it has alcohol in it. Alcohol is not legal here.’ I said, ‘Did anyone not think of telling me because I’m the one that has to wrestle in this?’ She goes, ‘Oh no, but I have a solution.’ What’s the solution? ‘Well, if we use hairspray all over you, it kind of sets it a little bit more.’ Okay, well, you’re an expert. So they paint me, they cover me in hairspray. It’s also Saudi Arabia outdoors, so it’s like 100 degrees. So pretty much by the time I’ve gotten to the ring, it’s starting to come off. So then we do the match, it’s a physical match, we’re sweating like crazy. I start as The Demon, I end as Finn in the match. No problem. So we get through the match, no injuries, fantastic, that’s all I’m happy about. Later on in the show was Undertaker Goldberg, and I’m watching a match backstage, in a hallway. I’m like looking at the screen, and I’m like, did something hit a smoke machine in here, it felt like it was being smoked up on the entrance. But it wasn’t, it was just my eyes, because what had happened was the hairspray had ran into my eyes and burnt my retinas. I went blind; I was essentially blind where I had to be linked by the guys, brought out of the building, linked by the guys, just carried up the steps onto the charter. I couldn’t see on the flight. We landed in Germany to refuel the plane. The doc had to leave the plane, go to a chemist, get some special medicine to heal my eyes. Then we flew when we landed in San Francisco, like 15 hours later, and it was just starting to unblur. But I guess all that hairspray had irritated my iris so much that I couldn’t see. That was probably the scariest thing that’s ever happened to me in wrestling.”

Were we ever close to getting the demon versus The Fiend?

“Yeah, I think that was certainly in the works, and something that I always think about and look back on and say, I’ve been very lucky to have had almost every match that I’ve ever wanted to have. But that’s one that I didn’t get to have, and we almost got Sister Abigail versus the demon, and Wyndham had gotten sick a couple of days before we had to switch that match out at short notice.”

But what a match that ended up turning into. You versus AJ Styles, it’s incredible!

“Yeah, and I think that was like our first match ever. AJ is someone who I’ve looked up to my whole career, someone who I’ve admired. You can kind of look up to people, but not really relate to them, like, you know, I’ve always looked up to John Cena as the pinnacle of being like a WWE superstar, but I don’t really relate to him, in the sense of our journeys have been slightly different, the way we work is different. But AJ, I feel like we’re very, very similar. I was just like a couple years behind them, so someone who I’ve always like admired and aspired to be like. So getting to go in the ring with AJ that night was absolutely amazing.”

What’s the story behind the “Finn Freeze” pose you do in photos?

“It was a spontaneous moment, so we were talking about space earlier, and I’d recently moved to Florida, and Kennedy Space Center is just down the road. So I went to Kennedy Space Center with one of my buddies, and he said, ‘Ah, Ferg, take a picture in front of the rocket.’ There’s a big giant like Atlantis rocket or something, and I was just instinctive. I was standing in front of a rocket, and I was like, what does an astronaut do? That was the first one. I posted it and I guess a lot of people laughed at it and caught on. I just started doing it from then, but that’s like how it started. It was complete happenstance. I stopped doing it when I turned heel. No, I’m gonna be a bad heel, and I wanted to like change everything, and that’s why we changed the music and changed the gear and everything. But yeah, that’s where the pose came from.”

What is Finn Balor grateful for?

“My family, my health and my job.”

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